July 2025 – Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI?

This month I want to highlight a video, Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI?, by the Dwarkesh Podcast, featuring Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken. This video explores recent advancements in AI from a scientist’s point of view, which I find particularly refreshing given how much AI chatter today is aimed at selling services. One topic that really stood out is the Generator-Verifier gap: it is much easier to validate a solution than create a solution.

I imagine when AI is capable of creating affordable, high-volume solutions, we are likely to adapt our human work away from idea generation and towards idea verification. This may be the next fundamental shift in how we work, and frankly I think we are predisposed to be pretty good at it.

This video is long (2.5h) and entirely worth the watch, although I understand long form content does not fit in everyone’s life. The video below links directly to the Generator-Verifier gap topic.

But it’s very plausible to me, we’ll be at the point where it’s so easy to generate with these agents that the bottleneck is actually, can I as the human verify the answer?”


One response to “July 2025 – Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI?”

  1. liquid1silver Avatar

    The idea verification is an interesting concept! I recently read something where humans aren’t great at communicating thoughts in a written way; we’re far better off pointing things out. This made me think of that too – we can point out things in the distance as wrong or worth their salt, but much harder to generate brand new things.

    Thanks for sharing!

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